It is in no way equivalent to off grid remote repair. It should not be removed until the fundamentals of the system are fixed.

-Liang

Ed: Also, I think your post looks too much to null sec for determining why people PVP in small gangs. In low sec, we do it because it's fun. That's enough reason to play a game right?

I'm not going to bother responding to the rest of your post because we both know it's a complete bullshit strawman argument. However, the part I quoted is just flat wrong. People will probe out and attempt to kill you even if you "use and fit it properly". You have to remember that there's no such thing as "unprobeable" anymore.

-Liang

If the pilot flying the alt is remotely competent, he will know what distance to set his D-scan to, hit that every now and then and as soon as he sees probes in a certain range, he warps to another safe. People losing their offgrid T3 boosters are either incompentent, multiboxing on one screen, lazy, dumb, drunk or asleep - most likely a combination of all.
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So this is you basically admitting that it's not zero risk? Cool, glad we could clear that up.

-Liang

So what you're saying is that if the person sits there staring at their T3 booster "alt" all the time and pounds D-Scan they can avoid getting probed out? Holy hell, that works in a target painted Marauder too.

-Liang

Ed: I mean it about the Marauder too, BTW. I was running Sansha missions in a Vargur and never got probed out despite the fact I was frequently painted. :) Just to be perfectly clear, I was running missions in hostile space and had standings to nobody at all. And they still couldn't take it down.

Not really. I'd say that anyone's risk goes down as their ability to pay attention goes up. That doesn't make the activity itself riskless. The reasoning behind your "risk free" claim is the same as saying that mining in low sec is risk free - everyone will just point and laugh at you.

-Liang

I don't think anyone mines at a belt in low sec? I was assuming they were at a grav sig.

-Liang

Again, you mistake my intent. I'm fine with off grid boosters going... after they fix the problems that's going to cause.

-Liang

- T3s have a better bonus to links because they were supposed to fit just 1-2 of them - if people wouldn't gimp their fits by fitting tons of command links on them to abuse them, they'd be perfectly viable on grid in a proper gang.
- Off grid bonuses as a mechanic are just as stupid as having off grid RR. You think the latter is completely dumb idea? Congrats, but then you can't advocate for the former, because it's basically the same thing.
- After the initial investment, they only offer benefits for absolutely no drawback, making them a necessity sooner or later. We already have people flying T1 frigs with their own private T3 offgrid booster just to appear ~elite~. Great for real noobs trying to get their feet wet solo...
- People keep mentioning it helps small gang warfare, but basically, they're a force multiplier, which by definition benefits the larger number more than it does the smaller. Also, they (especially POS boosters) are easier to use for the defending party than the aggressors - hence, they discourage roams into hostile territory.

- To avoid Grid-Fu after they were made to be on grid only, they should only work withn an invisible 200 km radius bubble and shouldn't be able to be activated from within POS shields.

I tend to think it's bad form to just wreck a working system on the belief that the new state might be better than the old one. There's absolutely no reason we can't both have what we want in a reasonable time frame.

-Liang

Ed: To be clear, I'm not asking them to fix the problems with Numbers > All. I'm asking them to fix the problems that prevent gang boosting ships from fitting into their intended gangs. Ideally, they could address several other problems at the same time - like the consequences of a lost fleet booster and T3/CS balance.

Try using d-scan real quickly.. see if there is a random tengu or loki on your scan when the fight is happening..

Once you do these few things and determine they have a booster... just have a trusty scanner next time you want to fight and nab yourself a tasty 600mil+ killmail, The booster should die in like 3 volleys.

But if the whiners get their way, enjoy your simplified eve. I heard somewhere that there is a conspiracy by CCP to make the game so easy that the people quitting WoW would actually want to play.

I admit that this is a valid viewpoint, and the commentary on shuffling your gang boosts around is definitely one of the things that makes me somewhat eager to get gang boosts only on grid. However, I feel that simply moving them on grid is going to work out like this:
- Blob vs Blob: Kinda meaningless
- Blob vs Small Gang: Great for blob, catastrophic for small gang
- Small gang vs Small gang: Great for stand and fight gangs like the Damnation fits in to and crappy for everyone else.
- ****** experience for whoever is gang boosting because the ships that fit them are kinda crap and very unengaging. It'll probably still be altsville.

And that's why I'd be more in favor of the outright removal of all gang bonuses than simply moving them on grid - despite the fact I have ~25M SP in leadership and have repeatedly trained CS5. So let's do something about the problems and then I think most people will be happy.

-Liang

Then delete leadership bonuses entirely. I'm fine with that.

-Liang

Personally I don't care if OGBs exist or not. The only thing I care about (and most of the pro-ogb pilots here) is the changes effect on small gang pvp. If CCP can somehow fix this problem without buffing blobs then I'd be happy with it.

Even if they removed boosting entirely I'd be cool. But we both know that is very unlikely.

I don't particularly like boosting at all, but if CCP is going to go forward with this balancing of boosting then I think they should do something along the lines of my OP. Unless there is a better idea that anybody has which doesn't give another unneeded buff to blobs then I won't change my mind and I'll keep posting until my keyboard turns to dust (514).

I'm sure there's a lot of things that could be better. Why are you so dead set on ruining the play style that I want to have?

if I am readning this right, you want 1v1 "fair" fights ?... boosting is just fine as it is. You should remember that there is no such thing as 1v1 an "fair" fights. You do what it takes to win no matter what, end always justifys the means so to speak.

EG...
If I had to bridge 15 Avatars to kill your one vexor, I would do it because it means winning....

edit, I am not a member of Nulli either :)

Maybe mate, but I would argue that boost isnt so powerful that you automatically win??.. least not in my experience.

Click page 17, read what the ISD said.

Yeah and you do? OK.

Your posts are ugly, very ugly little posts that my cute posts laugh at.

Better than hiding behind an alt.

For all I know your main could fly hulks all day.